Ghost Hunters Fraud Accusation Video
Last week, during Spooktalkular, we reviewed in detail, the recent video accusing "Ghost Hunters" of fraud by faking evidence. In case you missed it, here’s the video “TAPS LIES – Ghost Hunters Live – 2008 – Fraud-O-Rama”;
As I mentioned during the show, I’m not passing judgement on the validity of the claims made in the video. The producer of the video makes a fairly compelling case for his accusations of fraud. I personally hope that the accusations are false because if they are, they call into question the validity of ALL evidence presented on "Ghost Hunters" and for that matter, all of the paranormal reality shows.
Wednesday’s "Ghost Hunters – All Access" episode is the first that I’ve watched since viewing the fraud accusations. Going in, I wondered how I’d feel. Since I’m a podcaster on the topic of "Paratainment", I try to keep an open mind when watching these shows because, not only are they entertainment, they are also prep work for discussion on Spooktalkular. I found it incredibly hard to watch the show objectively. Every time they would show an evidence clip, I found myself looking for the "man behind the curtain" and how it possibly could have been faked. For almost every clip shown, I was able to determine a way it could have been faked. Now this DOES NOT mean that it was faked or that I thought it was.
Why is this important? In order to believe the validity of and evidence presented, one has to trust the source. Simply put, if doubt is injected as to one piece of evidence, presented as factual, this calls into question all evidence. When I was a child, I remember finding out that there was no Santa. I was in third or forth grade so I was around 9 years old or so. I found out because I noticed the shipping label on one of my Christmas gifts, a Weebles Treasure Island, was addressed to my Mom from JC Penney’s not Santa. I asked my Mom about it and she came clean about the fact that Santa was indeed, not real. From there, that called into question all of my beliefs about the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and so forth. One by one, as I reexamined these, I realized that they also were not real. All of this because of the doubt injected by Santa not being real.
That is why I feel it is very important for "Ghost Hunters" or Jason and Grant themselves to publish a rebuttal. The video produced by Moviedan is very compelling so the response must be equally so. Jason and Grant have both posted responses on their Myspace blogs but, they are not anywhere as stong of an argument as the one by Moviedan. I really feel that "Ghost Hunters" should almost devote an episode to debunking this video. Otherwise, a lot of people will start questioning the last several years of their work.
Now, for the other possibility, if it is fake, let us know. I still watch magicians even though I know there isn’t anything mystical going on. Wrestling still enjoys quite a following even after the acknowledgement that it is fake. Based simply on the entertainment value alone, "Ghost Hunters" could enjoy the same.
Me, shoot, I’m still out on what I think. I’m still trying to gather evidence and watch what happens. I still enjoy "Ghost Hunters" even though I watch it even more skeptically than before. I would, however, like to see a real response from GH or Jason and Grant one way or another.
What do you think?
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Good article. I feel the same way, and quite jaded if this has been rigged because I was believing that they were being objective. I have also backed them up over the last year as my husband continued to think it was faked. You also made the point that if this one was a fraud then that means their past episodes are questionable as well.
I just found your site and will be coming back, I dig that you are working on verifying these shows!
Shawna
Shawna, Thanks for the comments. I usually am a septic but I had let my guard down with these guys. It has caused me to renew my skepticism so it’s a little bit of a good thing.
I don’t know if you’ve checked it out yet but you might enjoy the show we do.
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I have come across the petition alleging that the TAPS group has no credibility. I am with the United States Air Force Office of Special Investigations (US/AFOSI) and was deeply involved in the national security investigation to allow the TAPS group and its production staff temporary access to Wright-Patterson AFB. Although the production highlights that certain elements of the United States Air Force (USAF) contacted the group to conduct a paranormal investigation, the contact was initiated upon orders from a detachment element of the US/AFOSI that primarily operates in Nevada and provides operational support to field elements at Wright-Patterson AFB. While I cannot disclose any specifics, I know that the TAPS group members are authentic and genuine in their methods, experience, and practice. Additional methods to investigate their background for interim access to various spaces on base revealed that they posed no security or suitability concerns–especially in regards to their honesty or susceptibility to deception. Systems and databases checks? Field follow-ups and character vetting? Full-spectrum polygraphs and deception detection examinations? Lifestyle surveillance and behavioral challenges/analysis? Maybe or maybe not….or maybe. Nevertheless I cannot and will not disclose details. The USAF cleared them long before they were contacted. Simply put, if they were not cleared, there would not have been an episode at the base to begin with and the TAPS group would have never been cognizant of the US/AFOSI’s interest in their services. As such, the US/AFOSI firmly supports the credibility of the TAPS group. The US/AFOSI believes that this petition –stemming from blind and unfounded accusations– resulted from the inexperience of certain paranormal investigative teams; the endeavor to gain self-publicity; the need to meddle and interfere in the success or promotion of the TAPS group; the attempt to discredit or undermine the legitimacy of the TAPS group; or perhaps the jealousy or envy brought upon by the achievements, popularity, or publicity of the TAPS group. In closing, I would be greatly interested in knowing how many of the non-constructive critics, investigative teams, supporters of this petition, or other members of the public would be granted access to certain spaces at the base. Answer: NONE.
Regards,
-J-
I began watching taps as a way to challenge my skills of spotting a fraud when i see one but i have to admit that watching these guys in action was definatley entertaining and fun, even if it was valid or not. I enjoyed trying to see if it was faked the voice recrdings and the homeowners reactions. the interactions of the members was funtoo. Much like a paranormal reality tv show. (most reality tv shoes are staged anyway) So i agree witht he wrestiling analogy. With that said i have looked at many you tube vids and debunker websites and it seems that grant is mainly at the centerof most of the ghost reaching out to touch humans phenomenaslike the lamp moving episode that he is sitting a few feet aaway fromin one shot and then right next to the next shot withhis hand buried under the table cloth and the lamp wire making a b-line right for his hiddenhand as the lamp slowly moves inhis direction. The ohter episode where he is sleeping and the covers of the bed move off his feet. An this one whichi amhaving a hard time believing isnt a prop gone bad. I have always been skeptical abotu the evps . Thinking that if one voice recorder is next to another how is it that one recording device and not the other , say in the camera mans camera or the other voice recorder in another invertigators hand, didnt pickit up. that sodd. Your vidoe at the top of this page validated what i felt that it staged theatritics. If the taps dudes or reading this com on guys ill still watch ya f it is a fake its silly fun- try to debunk the three grant vids for us in a show As far as the air force dude if what you are saying is true how is it that crack head senators are allowed on air force bases if they are so vetted before hand.
First, I love this show and all who are involved with it. A cool group of people.
My first impression watching them enter the fort was that it was pre-recorded and pre produced, as well as some other segments. The time on the IR camera seemed to be 11 minutes ahead, and how did they get the image of the thermal camera and the other camera mixed so instantly for a live show – (maybe there was an 11 or 10 minute delay). Also alot of pixelated views occurred in the beginning and other parts of the show, as though it was a bad digital playback – similar to what I would get on a scratched DVD.
There’s no way I can argue with the evidence presented on the collar pull. I’ve done little tricks with my coat collar when I was a kid, goofing around with my brothers.
If there was any type of rigging like this, I would tend to say that it was an unfortunately dumb decision, but maybe they (or perhaps just one of them) felt that from their previous experiences there was some need to spice up the live special, in case it happened to be a fairly unexciting night. As they’ve always said, Ghosts don’t act on cue. They’ve probably been on more investigations than they have ever aired on television. I don’t think this incident should discredit all of their previous shows, but I think these guys have been straight shooters, and there must have been alot of pressure by the producers or executives to get these guys to resort to such tactics (if that’s what happened). Stuff like that happens in business, pressure from the bosses, and I would imagine that it would have to have been pretty intense to possibly jeopardize their credibility – that’s all *I* can think of…
They would have been better off having a “boring” live event where nothing happened. It will be very difficult to believe any evidence that they present after seeing the “reveals” that have been posted. Everything about the collar pull incident is off. Grant’s reaction, the angle, the right arm, the camera perfectly cathcing all three pulls, etc. Even with the evp, Jason seems to either want no part of it or be disinterested. My belief is that the collar pull, at the very least, was staged…and this fact has severly hampered my love for this show.
Even now I’ll watch the re-runs and make sarcastic comments to myself when a nosie is heard, or a shadow is spotted, etc. A strong doubt has entered the picture. But a strong response from Jason and Grant would help ease my doubts…I haven’t seen one yet.
It seems obvious that if they deem it necessary to fake even one thing then ALL of their evidence is suspect. This show lives on the idea that they are AUTHENTICALLY attempting to provide proof of ghosts existence. That still has not been achieved to date, at least not on a national television show. The evidence they present would be very easy to fake if they want to. What they need to do is bring along people from skeptics organizations- if possilbe. They could setup multiple cameras in rooms, no hand held cameras as they are so easily manipulated. Then they simply go through with the skeptics and some ground rules up front on what can and cannot be done. If they get evidence of any kind the skeptic could at least say he was there when it happened and either debunk it or confirm it. They should in fact go back to the places they already did and redo the hottest spots. My guess is that they wouldnt get anything at all. Skeptics are necessary in order to get a more honest account of this stuff. The two main guys in the show POSE as skeptics which leads to the audience letting their collective guard down. That then gives them cart blanche to lie about anything they need to in order to make the show a success.
I feel like a kid that just found out Santa isn’t real.
I consider myself neither a believer or disbeliever in a lot of fields. IMO anything is possible and can happen, however I do agree that the collar tug does seem to be faked beyond a reasonable doubt. I can’t think of any way a collar would bunch up in the same exact way 4 times unless something was attacked to a single spot. On the other hand with that (I do not know if it was this video or a previous one that I watched as I did not watch the one posted here) in a video they say that he raised his right arm before one of them. Without a weight attached to the rope raising the arm wouldn’t create the “pull”.
Again IMO of the TAPS team itself, maybe it was pressure from the producers that have caused them to start faking things. I don’t believe that all the evidence that they collected has been faked but I certainly had some doubts about some things prior to finding all of these hypothesis out about them. I will be going back and watching some of the more profound things and double checking things again. One thing I am curious and questioned that was always on camera was the Manson investigation with the K2 meter. I wondered if the reactions weren’t some kind of mental hope that something was there that they released and repressed the button unknowingly or knowingly to set it off. (For those that are wondering what I’m talking about in one of the All Access shows either Jason or Grant admits that if the button is released and repressed it gives off false readings)
Who knows maybe some, none, or all of the evidence has been faked. We will probably never know beyond a shadow of a doubt.
A) when you go into a meal expecting to hate it, unless it’s something short of a miracle, you’re not going to walk away satisfied. The same theory can be applied to television shows like Ghost Hunters. Either going in as a believer or going in as a skeptic, you’re going to find the “validity” you were expecting. Whomever deigned us with their pointed typed commentary was clearly of the latter belief, and were simply making their own unfounded assertions and biased subjective analysis. Were they there? I have my doubts. Can an argument be formed in their TAPS guy’s defense that could be equally as plausible? Sure, why not?
B) really did anyone watch the full 7 hour taping? Do you think SciFi really thought anyone would? They knew it was going to be a slow night. It’s Halloween. People have better things to do. I doubt they were overly concerned with real ratings. Also, I doubt they would’ve allowed for any “damning” portion of their show to actually be aired. Yeah, it’s live… and there is a delay.. they still can edit or just cut the feed.
C) It’s a TV show. Real or Fake. Don’t read into it. Watch Myth Busters or something if bursting bubbles helps you to get your rocks off. While you’re at it, steal a kid’s toothfairy from under their pillow, all while telling them that she, the Easter Bunny, Santa, Jesus, Ghosts, Atlantis, and the Vietnam War never happened and are all figments of their and other’s imagination, because you just have it all just your precious little way. If you don’t believe it, it must never be true, and no one else can have fun either.
D) Die in a Fire.
You’re dead inside anyway…
I don’t watch Ghost Hunters for Entertainment. While it can be entertaining. I found the show accidently some years ago, and fell in love with it. Why is that. First of all, you can fake any of the things on this show. However, they had so many shows where the found absolutely nothing. They tried to show how it could be a vent making a noise, or the magnetic field making people feel weird. Why go to all this trouble? Finally, when they have found something, even the best stuff isn’t that great. It isn’t like a full bodied aparation that they talked with on camera for 15 minutes. It is “it looks like a form in a cape walking”, it sounds like “I miss Adam”, a shape of a human seems to rise from the ground, but could it be someone in the building tricking them. That was one I always wondered. I never thought they were tricking us, it was possible they were tricked. I do think they need to come clean on this. If they are faking, then, as with Most Haunted, I will not watch it anymore. It is truly disapointing when you have to lose faith in people.
I don’t know if I get why this is such compelling evidence of lying. I’m a great big skeptic when it comes to these shows, but surely there would be bigger evidence than this. I think that these bits are colored quite thoroughly by the video producer’s disbelieve and obvious disdain. But just as I always question what any of these ghost hunters produce as evidence, I’m also questioning this. I don’t think this is as compelling as the producer thinks and maybe his prejudices are showing him things that aren’t there . . . as happens to all ghost hunters.
The person allegedly from the AFOSI is as fraudulent as the TAPS team. Though well spoken, if he was truly from the USAFOSI, no comment as such would have been left here. Public opinion is of no concern to the military and it is forbidden to discredit or endorse any controversial position. In short, there are benefits to having the public believe whatever they want to believe. It contributes to the ability to maintain secrecy.
I watch the paranormal reality shows as a skeptic willing to be convinced with proper evidence. So far that evidence hasn’t yet been produced.
I’m turned off by Ghost Hunters and GHI having a large production crew following them around while trying to make it seem there are two investigators alone in a dark and scary place.
I get annoyed when all the investigating crews see full bodied apparitions “around a corner”, yet never get video evidence of it. And I question why shadow people only appear many feet away at the end of a dark corridor. I guess I’m waiting for a confrontation between spirits and investigators. Can’t they sit down for coffee and just talk it out?
I find it amusing that GHI is asking questions in english while in a German castle. Do the spirits have translators?
I chuckle at Paranormal State too. These guys produce the least amount of credible evidence. Every bump in the night is a demon meaning harm to the plagued home owners. I almost lost it when they were taping ping-pong balls over their eyes. Very scientific!
Most Haunted is obviously fake, but it seems Yvette and the crew are okay with that. I get a kick out of how they all freak out when someone tosses something off the wall off camera.
The most entertaining of these programs for me is Ghost Adventures on Travel Channel. Their documentary that started it all was excellent and I found some of the evidence compelling. I like the three guys only doing everything without the large production crew. In later shows I’m getting more skeptical when Josh is being possessed by spirits. Still, it is a fun show.
Obviously all these shows are for entertainment and if they don’t find spooks they will not have viewers. That is pressure that can create fraud. More new paranormal shows seem to premiere weekly, so the interest is there.
I don’t know where I’ve been, but I have just happened upon all this controversy about TAPS…I am pretty disheartened…I have been an avid fan for a long time, haven’t missed any episodes, (except, ironically, the Halloween show) and have even been inspired to join a ghost hunting group in my area. I WANT to believe…but I don’t want to believe at the cost of the truth. So, I feel like I will never be able to watch this show again trusting the honesty and integrity of the people on it. I have never believed any of the other shows, some of them, like the screaming English ladies, and the macho dude who threatens, then runs away sreaming, drive me nuts and I wish they would be canceled. However, I really felt like Jason and Grant were stand up guys. Maybe they are, and were pressured by the producers, maybe we will find out someday when the show is over. Anyhow, this is one disillusioned woman who won’t be rushing home to watch every show anymore.
Here’s the thing, everyone needs to remember that it’s TV, and therefore entertainment. There’s not a single reality show on tv that doesn’t have an element of non-realism in it. Even Cops edits out the boring stops that the officers have. They may have real evidence a lot of the time, but they probably don’t most of the time. Would their show get viewers if they didn’t have evidence in all of the episodes? Would you watch Mario and Luigi go around in the dark in random buildings, and not find anything? I wouldn’t, but people have to understand that it’s TV, not real life, and as hard as they try to make it seem realistic, it’s more than likely not.
The problem with Jason an d Grant is that on their live-show they wanted to make a big joke. So they prepared the trick with the cord in the jacket. Hahahaha, fun fun fun! But right after the moment Grant put the joke in practise, they realised that it was impossible to reveal tot the public that is was a joke.
That would explain a lot. Are you speculating or do you know this to be fact? If so, this is very interesting.
I’m just going to answer two important questions, based on my years of background in parapsychology, and leave it at that.
1. Do I believe TAPS fakes their experiences/investigations (deliberately or accidentally)?
No. As with all TV, there is such a thing as EDITING, done by people over whom the TAPS crew has no control. How those people decide to slice and splice, we’ll never know. I do believe that TAPS has pure intentions, however. I just also believe they fail to do adequate research – hence, how they ended up investigating Moss Beach Distillery, where (years ago) Loyd Auerbach openly agreed he helped set up a “fun house” haunting based upon real claims, at the request of the owners. Just a little bit of research would have told TAPS what they were in for. Instead, they got pissed off that no one told them. Not very professional.
However, it’s not their methodology for ghost investigations that I have an issue with, or their validity as ghost hunters (please, find me an amateur ghost hunter who hasn’t, in their excitement, held aloft a picture of a dust mote and cried “Orb!” – my e-mail box overflows with these kinds of pictures every October, from people looking for validity where there’s only dust and bugs). They’re just missing a key piece or two of the puzzle, thanks to their own biases and lack of research.
2. Do I believe that TAPS fabricates their statistics and research?
On this, I’m more convinced of the “yes.” Namely, in that they don’t do nearly enough research on the locations they visit, to judge by the way they act about the places. And they certainly lack the proper background to spout statistics about any other area of parapsychology in front of a camera. Their statistics about psychics, for example, are laughable. I find it hard to believe TAPS is so amazing they can actually pin-point 80% of all psychics out there as outright frauds. That’s a statistic even parapsychologists can’t pin down, though the numbers quoted in various test ranges would indicate there’s a much smaller percentage of fraud than skeptics like to believe. I’m unconvinced TAPS has any business spouting statistics, since I’m not even sure they know how to properly administer a Zener card test. They claim to not even believe in the phenomenon, yet it’s a viable, tested branch of parapsychology, with relatively quantitative testing procedures and results – something which, at this point, can NOT be said of “ghost hunting” (a clumsy term I don’t particularly care for, but that’s a personal preference issue).
So, I sit on the fence about TAPS. I believe their intentions are true enough, even if the end result might not mirror what actually happened. However, my advice to them would be to stick to the ghosts, and do their research a little better. Talking in statistics about something you have no concept of might impress the general public – but sooner or later, the truth is going to come out, and it’s likely to hurt in a big way.
Thanks for doing the work on exposing Taps. I was a huge fan but have decided to stop watching. If you are vaguely interested, you can read about it on my site: http://www.nothingforeveryone.com/ogre/blog/?p=997
Anyway, the good news is I have found your site. I’m still checking it out, but with your permission I think I would like to add it to my links page.
FINALLY!!! Somebody has the common sense to show these creeps for what they are. I mean really, how can any self respecting human being fall for such bunk! This show has been sucking the life out of my SyFy viewing experience for years and I have had enough! It is time this show went straight to video where all the other airheads in the world can go rent them on their own dime. It is the biggest waste of time on tv. For the love of god please say this is a wrap and put us all out of our misery!
When you watch a magician, you know his act is fake, but you stare in amazement and wonder how it was done.
But when someone is on TV pretending to capture ghosts and lying about it, their ‘magician’ act was to deceive and mock your mentality, not to entertain.
It was painfully obvious that this was fake when a loud voice says “You’re not supposed to be here”, obviously NOT an EVP, since it was loud as hell. The coat thing was pretty obvious as well, I mean, he walks one direction..coat gets pulled, walks another direction, coat gets pulled the same way. C’mon guys.. you’re telling me you suddenly have more solid “paranormal” evidence in this live video shoot than in all 5 seasons combined?
That being said, I am sure they didn’t want the “live” showing to be a ghostly no-show, and maybe ratings were slipping. I still watch, I still like to believe that *SOME* of the stuff they find is real. You can never tell though, when you have a cast of cameramen and sound guys walking around. So, I think I like Ghost Adventures better these days.
I’m a big fan of the show, and other para-normal progamming. I’ve been defending the show and the members of TAPS to others for some time. Frankly..most people think it’s all
B.S. anyhow. I think they REALLY NEED to post the afore mentioned rebuttals, and I think Hawes and Grant should take this VERY seriously.
We must have scientific exploration,not these fake TV shows for entertainment.For one thing the flashlight trick is a joke.Nothing on that show tells me a thing about ghosts.Also people have to be suspicious of people leaving the show so often.All those internal goings on with people not getting along.It’s annoying when they pull away the cam right when they say they “got something”.Maybe we might go out ourselves to look about for ghosts ourselves because the shows can’t prove a thing.
Orbs are not ghosts.This myth starts with the new agers that want to believe in what they call”soul migration”.It’s an easy way for them to believe their reincarnation myth,which I think is even more crazy than any paranormal belief.Sometimes I think humans must wake up,stop believing what everyone tells them,so they can use their reasoning ability to seek the truth of what’s really out there.
I have to say I was a big fan of Ghost Hunters before seeing the “behind the scenes footage”. Me and my some of my fellow ghost finding friends sometimes watch these episodes together and mainly just point out things they do wrong and occasionally stare in amazement as they actually capture something good (like when they were at a residential house, in the basement, having a “conversation” with a ghost via the K2 meter). Now, however, I will be trying to debunk all of their so called “evidence”. The part that really sealed the deal for me is when that sound guy came into where Grant and J were sitting at the table after Grant was trying to provoke the “spirit”! hahahahaha.
Jeez.
That is just amature s*$@.
However, even though Zack is kind of a drama queen and the big guy is a wuss, Ghost Adventures are still pretty good.
You know what the saddest part of all this is? Those of us that are actually out here trying to prove that what we find is true & real to those that are skeptical of paranormal activity. My concern is that if “the big guys” are going to fake evidence, everyone will think that we all do. Come on people, give us a break, we know the truth is out there, that is why we keep searching. So instead of dismissing our proof why not try to open your mind to our findings & realize that not all of us get paid the big bucks for faking evidence we do it for the love of the paranormal & the people that we try to help.
I’ve seen this “debunk” video a few times over the last year and there is absolutely nothing in it that proves or even points out any fakery. I think whoever made it needs a reality check. They seem to be almost delusional in their agenda against this show. I am open minded about proof and I don’t see a dram of it here.
Mankind has for centuries tried to explain the unexplainable with no empirical evidence to show for it. I agree with a lot of what’s been written on this site as to what constitutes real evidence, but let’s all admit it, there is none.
Ghost Hunters, like every other mystery-type program, always comes up short. Just like Bigfoot, UFOs, Yeti, the Loch Ness Monster, and all the rest, the one bit of evidence that would prove it all is conveniently missing. Oh sure, people tell fantastically entertaining stories, but as for evidence – it’s nonexistent.
I’m not suggesting that everyone involved in paranormal research is a hoaxer as I believe there are things in this world that we cannot see which are true. But all EVPs can be hoaxed; all photographs can be hoaxed; orbs can be hoaxed or easily explained; people can report cold spots, warm spots, shadows or voices, but it does nothing to prove anything.
Like someone here wrote earlier, if one bit of evidence is hoaxed then all evidence must be tossed out. One need only watch the Ghost Hunter episode of the flying hanger to know it was staged. Just watch the reactions of Jason and Grant – they make little effort at acting surprised. On the contrary, if it was an actual paranormal event they would have at the least peed their pants while trying to explain it. After all, it’s not like they personally witness objects actually moving (other than conveniently off-camera shadows) in real time. If they did it would be a big deal…an earth-shaking event – but, alas, the boys give it less-than expected weight. My immediate take of the event was one of being a set up. And, I dare say, Jason and Grant knew it was coming; just like the collar pull and the “You shouldn‘t be here“ EVP during the now infamous 2008 Live Halloween fiasco.
Alas, like millions of others, I was willing to give Ghost Hunters a chance with no preconceived notions only to be, yet again, disappointed.
One thing I don’t see anyone addressing is how Grant, a Mormon, reconciles his ghost hunting activities with his religion. Mormons preach strongly not to attempt to contact the dead for any reason. Mormons condemn Quiga boards, séances, and the occult in general; which ghost hunting is really. Most perplexing.